Forever Young


Robert
Jul 09, 2018
[]
[]
9 Comments

Let's turn on the excuse machine. That's not what this post is - it's an honest assessment of the roster as it currently stands - but that's usually how a post like this is received. This staff has chosen a longform rebuild, and when I attempt to describe their methodology as I see it, it often comes off as laying down a carpet of excuses for the coaches to walk all the way to 2023. I get it, but this is the rebuild I've long asked for, so this is the rebuild I'm going to describe.

Here in my mom's basement, I feel I am tasked with honest assessments of the University of Illinois football team. And when Tim Banks didn't have the players for his defense in 2013, I told you that. We got into arguments, and you said that it was his second year and they should be showing SOME signs of a real defense, but I had one honest assessment - nobody could win with a secondary and defensive line that young. I wasn't really making an "excuse" for the Beckman regime (although I'm sure it came off that way). I simply looked at the roster and made an assessment.

I know I'm too patient in this regard. I was OK with John Groce getting a fifth year (because of all the injuries in 2015/16). Those who said "there's no discernable offense, there's no recruiting plan - injuries or no injuries, this is going nowhere" were right and I was absolutely wrong. Sometimes, waiting is the wrong thing. Patience is one thing, "take all the time you need" is another.

I'm saying all of this because I'm going to tell you something about this football team that you don't want to hear: last year's excuse is still this year's excuse. It's going to be one of the youngest teams in college football.

Why? Well, we've been over that. At his first opportunity (his first recruiting class in his second season), Lovie Smith went with nearly all his own players. 21 of the 24 true freshmen played. 16 of them started a game. We've been over this ad nauseam.

This season... is going to be more of the same. The football should be better, and the ball should actually move, but the youthful mistakes will probably still be there. We're going to lead the country in players who cannot drink alcohol (again).

OK, maybe not lead the country. We might not even lead the conference. I think PJ Fleck is going to use his second recruiting class much like Lovie used his first, and I think Minnesota will be a tiny bit younger this year.

Let's use Phil Steele's Two-Deep Breakdowns as our guide here. These are preseason numbers - he's estimating a two-deep for each team and then analyzing it - so the 2017 numbers will be a bit deceptive. He had us 127th out of 130 teams in experience going into the season, estimating that we would have 10 true freshmen in our two-deep. We ended up having 21 true freshmen in our two-deep, finishing (by my analysis from last year) a distant "last" as the youngest team in the country.

Here are Steele's numbers for 2017 and here are his numbers going into 2018. In 2017, we went into the season 127th (and finished 130th, I'm certain). In 2018, we go into the season... 119th. Forever young, I want to be forever young.

I double-checked his numbers against my own. He listed each spot - senior starters, senior backups, junior starters, junior backups (and so on) - and here are his numbers vs. my own:

SR starters: 4 (PS), 4 (me)
SR backups: 2, 1
JR starters: 4, 4
JR backups: 7, 6
SO starters: 14, 14
SO backups: 9, 12
FR starters: 0, 0
FR backups: 4, 3

Pretty solid work by Phil Steele's staff, to be honest. Looks like they nailed all of the expected starters with only a few minor quibbles on the backups. And as I said when my last depth chart came out, I'm way light on the number of freshmen in the two-deep. Right now I have three (Calvin Avery and Verdis Brown backing up Milan and Oliver at defensive tackle plus Carlos Sandy backing up Dude K in the slot), but there are probably going to be a lot more freshman on the field than that. Both backup safeties might be freshmen, all of the backup offensive line spots are up for grabs - we're going to get younger than I have it right now.

Which means that, on a postseason experience chart, we're going to be in the bottom 10 again. We'll be improved from last year - we'd better be improved from last year - but we're still going to be one of the ten youngest teams in college football.

What's the point of that? Well, in two seasons, I can't see how we're not #1 on this list. That's where Phil Steele combines the depth chart numbers (covered above) as well as the % of offensive yards returning, the % of tackles returning, and the combined starts returning on the offensive line. In fact, I'll make a little prediction here that I'll link back to in a couple years: I think we'll break the record for the highest points on that chart in two years. I can't find another college team the last few decades starting 16 true freshmen in one season, which means that when those players reach their senior seasons, if they're all still starting, they'll be perhaps the most experienced college team in the last few decades.

I mean, just look at the offensive line. We started four freshmen at certain times through the season last year, with the four of them combining for 38 starts. Let's say we start four sophomores on the OL this year (if Larry Boyd gets beaten out for left tackle it will be by... another sophomore, Jake Cerny) along with senior Nick Allegretti. Then, in 2019, those four juniors will start with some other non-senior (could be a junior, sophomore, or freshman). And then all of those players will return again in 2020. One more time to emphasize: if any of them don't hold on to their starting spots, they'll be beaten out by... a sophomore or a freshman who will then also be returning the next year.

So that's 38 starts in 2017, 48 in 2018, and 65 in 2019 (counting a bowl because we'd better be in a bowl in 2019). Which means that we'll be going into the 2020 season with 151 combined starts on the offensive line. That's higher than any current number on the Phil Steele list I linked above. % of tackles returning, % of offensive yards returning - our numbers in 2020 will be crazy high in every category.

My point to this whole thing: we'll still have one of the youngest teams in football this year... and then that rapidly accelerates to one of the most experienced teams in all of college football. The chart already shows the separation between "young" and "inexperienced" growing. We're 119th on youth but 100th on the "experience chart" because 16 of these sophomores have starting experience. That starts to accelerate rapidly. Next year I'm guessing we'll be somewhere in the 30's on the experience chart. In 2020, I'm almost certain we'll be #1 by a very large amount. Only Baylor could come close, but Baylor has a lot of seniors this year who will start and our entire starting lineup will be mostly sophomores.

Now, that doesn't necessarily mean wins. Kansas is #1 on that chart this year. I'm sure some Kansas blogger, back in 2016, was saying "but in 2018 we'll be the most experienced team in college football". The Vegas over/under on Kansas wins this fall: 3.

All I can do is analyze the Illini roster. And when I do, I think I see what they're doing. Improved in 2018, good, in 2019, great in 2020. Again, at some point, very quickly, the switch flips from "really young" to "wildly experienced". And at that point, we should see the other switches flip as well. The "no longer look lost out there" switch. The "hey, not only do we not look bad, we look pretty damn good" switch.

Let's call it the "8+ wins switch". If this is a deep dive rebuild, we don't want to just see it result in a few 6-6 seasons. We need a program at the end of this long journey.

(I hate ending posts like this, but I'm going to end inside parentheses. My fear is continuing to drift towards "what do we do after 2020?". I'm nearly certain that we'll be good in 2019 and great in 2020. I'd bet money on it. But after that, do we fall off the cliff like 2002 and then 2003 (or 2008 and then 2009)? Or will we have built a sustainable program? If we're #1 on the Phil Steele experience list in 2020 with 30+ seniors then we're going to drop to something like 128th in 2021. I'm not sure I can handle another 02/03 or 08/09 fall off the cliff. We're building a program, right? RIGHT?)

Comments

davo2787 on July 10 @ 10:31 AM CDT

Man, that is the fear right (about 2020)? Nothing is guaranteed though so focusing on this year we can hope for.... 4 wins, realistically (Kent St, W. Illinois, Minnesota, Purdue...)? Big question, I think, is line stability and quarterback play. Playing so many underclassmen on the lines last year was difficult to stomach. 5th year 1 star linemen > true freshman linemen (especially on OLine). QB play, that goes without saying. We need stability and we need to move the ball. HOPEFULLY we can have a more equal time distribution between offense and defense. That will help our team remain fresh on defense as I think we were gassed by the end of games on D.

That being said, I am unreasonably enthusiastic about this Illini team. I think if we can avoid injuries, and we can show stability on both sides of the ball it will be a fun year. I fully expect some young mistakes still, but I hope that we can show more cohesion.

Looking forward to the ginormous football preview! As someone who reads but rarely comments, thanks for your work, enthusiasm, and words!

thumpasaurus on July 10 @ 11:15 AM CDT

It will only be fun if you have the right frame of mind.

Approach this year as though there are no stakes. This isn't the year they need to make a bowl game; this isn't the year they need to arrive. This is just a year where they're predicted to battle for the right to be called not the worst team in the conference.

(Yes, we need to look better this year to keep the recruiting momentum going, but let's ignore that for a second).

So we need to win our first two games, and any additional wins are gravy. I will be overjoyed if we can break the conference losing streak. I don't care how ugly it is, it will feel incredible to stop the bleeding.

You can be enthusiastic and excited about this team as long as you don't have high expectations for their win total, because that will set you up to be disappointed. They're going to lose a lot this year, but hopefully they'll gain a lot in the process.

illiniranger on July 11 @ 12:01 PM CDT

post 2020 we are going to have a huge dropoff. the recruiting class that signed in 2018 ("last" year) wasn't very good and there won't be much depth backing up the 2020 guys. the 2019 class ("this" year) is somewhat top heavy, is going to be small (17 to 19 players), and is going to be heavily tilted towards skill guys given the recruiting misses at OL. So who is going to play OL in 2021? Those guys should be FR this year and in this recruiting class (2019). But when you look at it? The players aren't there.

So even if we are great in 2020 (great would be like 10-2 and i think this is more of an 8-4 type roster given the lack of depth) we probably fall right back out of bowl contention in 2021. Which would be OKish as long as it was competitive 4-8/5-7 and a lot of young guys were playing so that 2022 looked positive. but we're too far out from that to really know.

To answer Robert's question he hints at towards the end of his post - i don't see Lovie Smith building a program, i see him building one really good team in 2020 and then we backslide to mucking it out for bowls the next two years.

ATOillini on July 10 @ 11:38 AM CDT

1) The last thing in the world that would ever concern me in July of 2018 is the possibility of Illini football falling off a cliff in 2021.

2) I am hoping that the O-line makes a big enough improvement that it somewhat sets off a positive chain reaction.....longer drives, better field position, more rest for the defense, etc. etc....It seems we've had year after year of countless 90 second three and outs that eventually destroy even a decent defensive effort.

Robert on July 10 @ 12:19 PM CDT

  1. It is and will always remain my #1 concern. Each of the last six coaches reached a bowl in their third season. Only one of them (Mackovic) built a program. I'm so tired of bad to good and then immediately bad again. Even Mike White went bad to good to bad. I want a program.

  2. Agree that (paraphrasing) "wasted what would have been a solid defensive effort if they didn't have to be out there for 39 minutes" is the theme of Illini football this decade. I'd give anything to get out of that rut.

ATOillini on July 10 @ 05:11 PM CDT

I hear you regarding item #1.....Hope you understand I was making a bit of a joke. "I want a program" says it all and I concur.

Groundhogday on July 11 @ 06:07 PM CDT

Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin

  1. 1-10
  2. 5-6
  3. 5-6
  4. 10-1-1 Rose Bowl
  5. 7-4-1
  6. 4-5-2
  7. 8-5
  8. 8-5
  9. 11-1 Rose Bowl

After winning the Big Ten in Year 4, it took Alvarez another five years to get back to that level. From what I've seen, this is usually what happens with rebuilds. The initial build is with guys who want and get early playing time. Then there is a fall off when these guys leave, and there is a second wave rebuild. The key to building the program is having a higher floor with the second wave so the program doesn't lose recruiting momentum.

thumpasaurus on July 12 @ 10:41 AM CDT

God, how many of those WWWHBASDEITDHTBOTF39M games have we had?!

Just off the top of my head, 2011 Ohio State and Wisconsin, 2012 Purdue, 2015 Ohio State and Northwestern and to an extent Wisconsin...I was overjoyed to finally cash in one of those 40-minute defensive stands against MSU in 2016

illiniranger on July 11 @ 11:54 AM CDT

the staff didn't "choose" a long form rebuild. they weren't able to get anything out of the 30+ seniors they inherited; they seemingly pissed off and couldn't connect with the players they inherited which is why so many transferred; and they were unable to recruit a bunch of instant impact difference makers. I'm sure the master plan wasn't "win 9 games the first three seasons total."

TBD if they can pull out of it.

Speak Your Mind

Please login or register to post comments on the IlliniBoard.